A few links I used as reference
http://www.toymods.n...p;highlight=w58
http://users.tpg.com.../gearboxes.html
http://akb.norbie.ne...ic/Gearing.aspx
T50 (25.5kg/56lbs)
First Gear: 3.587:1
Second Gear: 2.022:1
Third Gear: 1.384:1
Fourth Gear: 1.00:1
Fifth Gear: 0.861:1
W50 (40kg/88lbs)
First Gear: 3.287:1
Second Gear: 2.043:1
Third Gear: 1.394:1
Fourth Gear: 1.00:1
Fifth Gear: 0.853:1
Reverse: -4.039:1
W58 (35kg/77lbs)
First Gear: 3.285:1
Second Gear: 1.894:1
Third Gear: 1.275:1
Fourth Gear: 1.00:1
Fifth Gear: 0.783:1
Reverse: -3.768:1
If you looked at that 1st link it has the ratios for the W55,56,57 as well. These trans have the same case and are interchangeable with the W58. W57 has the same ratios as the 58, except its 5th is the same as the W50. So there are options for you to potentially get close to the ratio's you really want.
IMO (If I'm ever to do this) The W58 having the taller 5th gear makes it a nice trans match with a lower ratio final (r&p) in the diff, maintaining some freeway drivability. And with the lower ratio, the RPM drop when upshifting won't have such a loss of power/torque as it did before.
EDIT: I found this cool online calculator to do it for me. (& promptly spent way too much time on it.)
http://www.car-video...ls/speedrpm.asp
5th gear FWY speeds.
T50 & 4.10 = 65 mph @ 3525 rpm (80 @ 4325)
T50 & 4.30 = 65 mph @ 3700 rpm (80 @ 4525)
T50 & 4.56 = 65 mph @ 3925 rpm (80 @ 4825)
T50 & 4.77 = 65 mph @ 4075 rpm (80 @ 5025)
T50 & 4.88 = 65 mph @ 4175 rpm (80 @ 5150)
T50 & 5.29 = 65 mph @ 4550 rpm (80 @ 5575)
W50 & 4.10 = 65 mph @ 3475 rpm (80 @ 4275)
W50 & 4.30 = 65 mph @ 3650 rpm (80 @ 4500)
W50 & 4.56 = 65 mph @ 3875 rpm (80 @ 4775)
W50 & 4.77 = 65 mph @ 4050 rpm (80 @ 4975)
W50 & 4.88 = 65 mph @ 4150 rpm (80 @ 5100)
W58 & 3.58 = 65 mph @ 2800 rpm (80 @ 3425)
W58 & 3.73 = 65 mph @ 2900 rpm (80 @ 3575)
W58 & 3.90 = 65 mph @ 3025 rpm (80 @ 3750)
W58 & 4.10 = 65 mph @ 3200 rpm (80 @ 3925)
W58 & 4.30 = 65 mph @ 3350 rpm (80 @ 4125)
W58 & 4.56 = 65 mph @ 3550 rpm (80 @ 4375)
W58 & 4.77 = 65 mph @ 3725 rpm (80 @ 4575)
W58 & 4.88 = 65 mph @ 3800 rpm (80 @ 4675)
W58 & 5.29 = 65 mph @ 4125 rpm (80 @ 5075)
Top mph speed in forward gears; assuming 7500rpm redline (except where noted otherwise), gears in order of 1-5. Shown with various final drive ratio's:
T50 & 4.10 = 33.3 / 59.1 / 86.3 / 119.4 / 138.7
T50 & 4.30 = 31.7 / 56.3 / 82.3 / 113.9 / 132.3
T50 & 4.56 = 29.9 / 53.1 / 77.6 / 107.4 / 124.7
T50 & 4.77 = 28.6 / 50.8 / 74.2 / 102.6 / 119.2
T50 & 4.88 = 28.0 / 49.6 / 72.5 / 100.3 / 116.5
T50 & 5.29 = 25.8 / 45.8 / 66.9 / 92.6 / 107.5
W50 & 4.10 = 36.3 / 58.5 / 85.7 / 119.4 / 140.0
W50 & 4.30 = 34.6 / 55.7 / 81.7 / 113.9 / 133.5
W50 & 4.56 = 32.7 / 52.6 / 77.0 / 107.4 / 125.9
W50 & 4.77 = 31.2 / 50.2 / 73.6 / 102.6 / 120.3
W50 & 4.88 = 30.5 / 49.1 / 72.0 / 100.3 / 117.6
W58 & 3.58 = 41.6 / 72.2 / 107.3 / 136.8 / 174.7
W58 & 3.73 = 40.0 / 69.3 / 103.0 / 131.3 / 167.6
W58 & 3.90 = 38.2 / 66.3 / 98.5 / 125.5 / 160.3
W58 & 4.10 = 36.4 / 63.1 / 93.7 / 119.4 / 152.5
W58 & 4.30 = 34.7 / 60.1 / 89.3 / 113.9 / 145.4
W58 & 4.56 = 32.7 / 56.7 / 84.2 / 107.4 / 137.1
W58 & 4.77 = 31.2 / 54.2 / 80.5 / 102.6 / 131.1
W58 & 4.88 = 30.5 / 53.0 / 78.7 / 100.3 / 128.1
W58 & 5.29 = 28.2 / 48.9 / 72.6 / 92.6 / 118.2
(speeds @ higher rev limit)
W58 & 4.56 = 34.0 / 59.0 / 87.6 / 111.7 / 142.6 (7.8k)
W58 & 4.56 = 34.9 / 60.5 / 89.8 / 114.5 / 146.3 (8k)
W58 & 4.88 = 31.8 / 55.1 / 81.8 / 104.3 / 133.3 (7.8k)
W58 & 4.88 = 32.6 / 56.5 / 83.9 / 107.0 / 136.7 (8k)
W58 & 5.29 = 29.3 / 50.8 / 75.5 / 96.3 / 122.9 (7.8k)
W58 & 5.29 = 30.1 / 52.1 / 77.4 / 98.7 / 126.1 (8k)
Also approx. rpm dropped to when upshifting gears 2-5 (speeds vary depending on final drive, see mph's above):
T50 ____ = 4225 / 5125 / 5425 / 6450 (7.5k)
T50 ____ = 4400 / 5350 / 5650 / 6700 (7.8k)
T50 ____ = 4500 / 5450 / 5800 / 6900 (8k)
W50 ____ = 4650 / 5025 / 5375 / 6400 (7.5k)
W58 ____ = 4325 / 5050 / 5875 / 5875 (7.5k)
W58 ____ = 4500 / 5250 / 6100 / 6100 (7.8k)
W58 ____ = 4600 / 5400 / 6250 / 6250 (8k)
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Toyota T50 & W58 Gear ratio comparisons
Started by assassin10000, Jan 05 2009 09:17 PM
#1
Posted 05 January 2009 - 09:17 PM
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Posted 05 January 2009 - 11:09 PM
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After some more thinking about it, another advantage a change in trans & rear end gear ratio's is the overall ratio. Which affects torque at the rear wheels in each gear. Which besides having a way stouter trans, when combined with the 'right' rear end ratio, I may be able to gain acceleration/power at the wheel due to the change in 'overall' ratio (overall ratio = Trans Gear Ratio X Final Drive/Diff Ratio). Without actually increasing the engine's overall power.
Changing the overall ratio affects how the torque is multiplied from the engine, through the trans/diff and put down at the wheels. That's how changing from a 4.3 gearset to a 4.7 gives much better acceleration, at the cost of top speed. More torque is available through the multiplication of it, but it takes more rpm to achieve the same speed as a trade off.
Also, since gear ratio IS a multiplier; when I get some more power (finally) the % of increased torque due to overall gear ratio (hopefully no decreases) will also apply. Meaning if I gain 10% more torque at the wheel with a stock 4ag 90hp/78ft-lbs, I still get that 10% gain multiplied by the new engine output... (so if cams give me 115hp/105ft-lbs, it's still 10% torque multiplication gain in that particular gear - just a larger gain due to the higher input).
Some new reference sites:
http://www.gears-man...ear-ratios.html
http://www.car-video...ower_torque.asp
Calculated overall gear ratio's (1-5) & percentage changes vs. stock:
Baseline (all percentage's will be calculated against this)
T50 & 4.30 = 15.42 / 8.69 / 5.95 / 4.30 / 3.70
T50 & 4.56 = 16.36 / 9.22 / 6.31 / 4.56 / 3.93
Percentage = 6.0% all gears
T50 & 4.77 = 17.11 / 9.64 / 6.60 / 4.77 / 4.05
Percentage = 11.0% all gears
W58 & 3.58 = 11.76 / 6.78 / 4.56 / 3.58 / 2.80
Percentage = -31.1 / -28.2 / -30.6 / -20.1 / -32.1
W58 & 3.73 = 12.25 / 7.06 / 4.76 / 3.73 / 2.92
Percentage = -25.9 / -23.1 / -25.0 / -15.2 / -26.7
W58 & 3.90 = 12.81 / 7.39 / 4.97 / 3.90 / 3.05
Percentage = -20.3 / -17.6 / -19.7 / -10.3 / -21.3
W58 & 4.10 = 13.47 / 7.77 / 5.23 / 4.10 / 3.21
Percentage = -14.5 / -11.8 / -13.8 / -4.8 / -15.3
W58 & 4.30 = 14.13 / 8.14 / 5.48 / 4.30 / 3.37
Percentage = -9.1 / -6.8 / -8.6 / 0.00 / -9.8
W58 & 4.56 = 14.98 / 8.64 / 5.81 / 4.56 / 3.57
Percentage = -2.9 / -.005 / -2.4 / 6.0 / -3.6
W58 & 4.88 = 16.03 / 9.24 / 6.22 / 4.88 / 3.82
Percentage = 3.9 / 6.3 / 4.5 / 13.4 / 3.2
W58 & 5.29 = 17.38 / 10.02 / 6.74 / 5.29 / 4.14
Percentage = 12.7 / 15.3 / 13.2 / 23.0 / 11.8
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Also, a quick glance at the percentage change for each gear set. (IE: the gain or loss of torque by changing ONLY the final gear ratio/rear diff ring & pinion)
3.58: -20.1
3.73: -15.2
3.90: -10.3
4.10: -4.8
4.30: 0.0 (Baseline/Stock)
4.56: 6.0
4.77: 11.0
4.88: 13.4
5.29: 23.0
5.38: 25.0 (TRD 5.375)
Changing the overall ratio affects how the torque is multiplied from the engine, through the trans/diff and put down at the wheels. That's how changing from a 4.3 gearset to a 4.7 gives much better acceleration, at the cost of top speed. More torque is available through the multiplication of it, but it takes more rpm to achieve the same speed as a trade off.
Also, since gear ratio IS a multiplier; when I get some more power (finally) the % of increased torque due to overall gear ratio (hopefully no decreases) will also apply. Meaning if I gain 10% more torque at the wheel with a stock 4ag 90hp/78ft-lbs, I still get that 10% gain multiplied by the new engine output... (so if cams give me 115hp/105ft-lbs, it's still 10% torque multiplication gain in that particular gear - just a larger gain due to the higher input).
Some new reference sites:
http://www.gears-man...ear-ratios.html
http://www.car-video...ower_torque.asp
Calculated overall gear ratio's (1-5) & percentage changes vs. stock:
Baseline (all percentage's will be calculated against this)
T50 & 4.30 = 15.42 / 8.69 / 5.95 / 4.30 / 3.70
T50 & 4.56 = 16.36 / 9.22 / 6.31 / 4.56 / 3.93
Percentage = 6.0% all gears
T50 & 4.77 = 17.11 / 9.64 / 6.60 / 4.77 / 4.05
Percentage = 11.0% all gears
W58 & 3.58 = 11.76 / 6.78 / 4.56 / 3.58 / 2.80
Percentage = -31.1 / -28.2 / -30.6 / -20.1 / -32.1
W58 & 3.73 = 12.25 / 7.06 / 4.76 / 3.73 / 2.92
Percentage = -25.9 / -23.1 / -25.0 / -15.2 / -26.7
W58 & 3.90 = 12.81 / 7.39 / 4.97 / 3.90 / 3.05
Percentage = -20.3 / -17.6 / -19.7 / -10.3 / -21.3
W58 & 4.10 = 13.47 / 7.77 / 5.23 / 4.10 / 3.21
Percentage = -14.5 / -11.8 / -13.8 / -4.8 / -15.3
W58 & 4.30 = 14.13 / 8.14 / 5.48 / 4.30 / 3.37
Percentage = -9.1 / -6.8 / -8.6 / 0.00 / -9.8
W58 & 4.56 = 14.98 / 8.64 / 5.81 / 4.56 / 3.57
Percentage = -2.9 / -.005 / -2.4 / 6.0 / -3.6
W58 & 4.88 = 16.03 / 9.24 / 6.22 / 4.88 / 3.82
Percentage = 3.9 / 6.3 / 4.5 / 13.4 / 3.2
W58 & 5.29 = 17.38 / 10.02 / 6.74 / 5.29 / 4.14
Percentage = 12.7 / 15.3 / 13.2 / 23.0 / 11.8
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Also, a quick glance at the percentage change for each gear set. (IE: the gain or loss of torque by changing ONLY the final gear ratio/rear diff ring & pinion)
3.58: -20.1
3.73: -15.2
3.90: -10.3
4.10: -4.8
4.30: 0.0 (Baseline/Stock)
4.56: 6.0
4.77: 11.0
4.88: 13.4
5.29: 23.0
5.38: 25.0 (TRD 5.375)
#3
Posted 12 March 2009 - 10:52 PM
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My own charts
![](http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g122/plate2169/Trans%20Gear%20Ratio%20Graphs/T-50vsW58Chart.jpg)
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Using this site I was able to graph out MPH/Top speed and approx point of upshift.
http://akb.norbie.ne...ic/Gearing.aspx
Edited to show links below, newer charts above are easier to read & compare.
MPH/gear change charts:
http://i55.photobuck...oComparison.jpg
http://i55.photobuck...Comparison2.jpg
![](http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g122/plate2169/Trans%20Gear%20Ratio%20Graphs/T-50vsW58Chart.jpg)
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![](http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g122/plate2169/Trans%20Gear%20Ratio%20Graphs/T-50vsW58Chart-Key2.jpg)
Using this site I was able to graph out MPH/Top speed and approx point of upshift.
http://akb.norbie.ne...ic/Gearing.aspx
Edited to show links below, newer charts above are easier to read & compare.
MPH/gear change charts:
http://i55.photobuck...oComparison.jpg
http://i55.photobuck...Comparison2.jpg
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Posted 21 September 2009 - 04:31 PM
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Just because I was bored, here's S14 SR20DET 5sp info.
S13/14/15 5-speed Gear Ratio's
1. 3.321
2. 1.902
3. 1.308
4. 1.000
5. 0.838
MPH @ 7500 RPM redline, when using 225/45R17 tires.
S-Chassis & 4.08:1 = 39.7 / 69.3 / 100.8 / 131.8 / 157.3
Overall Gear Ratio = 13.55 / 7.76 / 5.33 / 4.08 / 3.42
Andrew
S13/14/15 5-speed Gear Ratio's
1. 3.321
2. 1.902
3. 1.308
4. 1.000
5. 0.838
MPH @ 7500 RPM redline, when using 225/45R17 tires.
S-Chassis & 4.08:1 = 39.7 / 69.3 / 100.8 / 131.8 / 157.3
Overall Gear Ratio = 13.55 / 7.76 / 5.33 / 4.08 / 3.42
Andrew
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Posted 01 September 2010 - 08:55 PM
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T50 & TRD gear set 33030-AE811 (1-3 & 5th)
First Gear: 2.341:1
Second Gear: 1.607:1
Third Gear: 1.195:1
Fourth Gear: 1.00:1
Fifth Gear: 0.886:1
T50 & TRD gear set 33030-AE811 (1st & 2nd only)
First Gear: 2.341:1
Second Gear: 1.607:1
Third Gear: 1.384:1
Fourth Gear: 1.00:1
Fifth Gear: 0.861:1
J160
First Gear: 3.874:1
Second Gear: 2.175:1
Third Gear: 1.484:1
Fourth Gear: 1.223:1
Fifth Gear: 1.000:1
Sixth Gear: 0.869:1
J160 & TRD gear set 33030-SE100 (1st & 3rd)
First Gear: 3.106:1
Second Gear: 2.175:1
Third Gear: 1.585:1
Fourth Gear: 1.223:1
Fifth Gear: 1.000:1
Sixth Gear: 0.869:1
Top gear (5th OR 6th) RPM's at freeway speeds (top gear of listed trans & final drive):
T50, 5.375 & TRD -AE811 = 65 mph @ 4750 rpm (80 @ 5825)
T50, 5.375 & TRD -AE851 = 65 mph @ 4600 rpm (80 @ 5675)
J160 & 4.10 = 65 mph @ 3550 rpm (80 @ 4375)
J160 & 4.30 = 65 mph @ 3725 rpm (80 @ 4575)
J160 & 4.56 = 65 mph @ 3950 rpm (80 @ 4850)
W58 & 3.73 = 65 mph @ 2900 rpm (80 @ 3575)
W58 & 3.90 = 65 mph @ 3025 rpm (80 @ 3750)
W58 & 4.10 = 65 mph @ 3200 rpm (80 @ 3925)
W58 & 4.30 = 65 mph @ 3350 rpm (80 @ 4125)
W58 & 4.56 = 65 mph @ 3550 rpm (80 @ 4375)
W58 & 4.78 = 65 mph @ 3725 rpm (80 @ 4575)
W58 & 4.88 = 65 mph @ 3800 rpm (80 @ 4675)
With stock Altezza tire sizes (205/55R16 or 215/45R17)
J160 & 4.10 = 65 mph @ 3250 rpm (80 @ 4000)
J160 & 4.30 = 65 mph @ 3400 rpm (80 @ 4200)
J160 & 4.56 = 65 mph @ 3600 rpm (80 @ 4450)
Note: J160 speeds are the same for both with & without TRD gearset as 6th gear is not changed.
Top mph speed in forward gears, gears in order of 1-5 or 1-6. Shown with various final drive ratio's, all with tire dia. 22.75" (185/60R14) :
7500 RPM rev limit:
T50, 5.375 & TRD -AE811 = 38.9 / 56.7 / 76.2 / 91.1 / 102.8
T50, 5.375 & TRD -AE851 = 38.9 / 56.7 / 65.8 / 91.1 / 105.8
W58 & 4.88 = 30.5 / 53.0 / 78.7 / 100.3 / 128.1
8000 RPM rev limit
J160 & 4.10 _ = 32.9 / 58.6 / 85.8 / 104.2 / 127.4 / 146.6
J160 & 4.30 _ = 31.4 / 55.8 / 81.8 / 99.3 / 121.5 / 139.8
J160 & 4.56 _ = 29.6 / 52.7 / 77.2 / 93.6 / 114.5 / 131.8
J160 TRD 4.10 = 41.0 / 58.6 / 80.4 / 104.2 / 127.4 / 146.6
J160 TRD 4.30 = 39.1 / 55.8 / 76.6 / 99.3 / 121.5 / 139.8
J160 TRD 4.56 = 36.9 / 52.7 / 72.3 / 93.6 / 114.5 / 131.8
W58 & 3.73 __ = 42.6 / 73.9 / 109.8 / 140.0 / 178.8
W58 & 3.90 __ = 40.8 / 70.7 / 105.0 / 133.9 / 171.0
W58 & 4.10 __ = 38.8 / 67.3 / 99.9 / 127.4 / 162.7
W58 & 4.30 __ = 37.0 / 64.1 / 95.3 / 121.5 / 155.1
W58 & 4.56 __ = 34.9 / 60.5 / 89.8 / 114.5 / 146.3
W58 & 4.78 __ = 33.3 / 57.7 / 85.7 / 109.3 / 139.5
W58 & 4.88 __ = 32.6 / 56.5 / 83.9 / 107.0 / 136.7
With stock Altezza tire sizes (205/55R16 or 215/45R17)
J160 & 4.10 _ = 36.0 / 64.1 / 93.9 / 113.9 / 139.4 / 160.4
J160 & 4.30 _ = 34.3 / 61.1 / 89.5 / 108.6 / 132.9 / 152.9
J160 & 4.56 _ = 32.3 / 57.6 / 84.4 / 102.5 / 125.3 / 144.2
J160 TRD 4.10 = 44.9 / 64.1 / 87.9 / 113.9 / 139.4 / 160.4
J160 TRD 4.30 = 42.8 / 61.1 / 83.8 / 108.6 / 132.9 / 152.9
J160 TRD 4.56 = 40.3 / 57.6 / 79.1 / 102.5 / 125.3 / 144.2
Calculated overall gear ratio's:
T50 & 4.30 = 15.42 / 8.69 / 5.95 / 4.30 / 3.70
T50, 5.375 & TRD -AE811 = 12.58 / 8.63 / 6.42 / 5.38 / 4.76
T50, 5.375 & TRD -AE851 = 12.58 / 8.63 / 7.44 / 5.38 / 4.62
J160 & 4.10 ____ = 15.88 / 8.92 / 6.08 / 5.01 / 4.10 / 3.56
J160 & 4.30 ____ = 16.66 / 9.35 / 6.38 / 5.26 / 4.30 / 3.73
J160 & 4.56 ____ = 17.66 / 9.92 / 6.77 / 5.58 / 4.56 / 3.70
J160, 4.10 & TRD = 12.73 / 8.92 / 6.50 / 5.01 / 4.10 / 3.56
J160, 4.30 & TRD = 13.36 / 9.35 / 6.82 / 5.26 / 4.30 / 3.73
J160, 4.56 & TRD = 14.16 / 9.92 / 7.22 / 5.58 / 4.56 / 3.70
W58 & 3.73 = 12.25 / 7.06 / 4.76 / 3.73 / 2.92
W58 & 3.90 = 12.81 / 7.39 / 4.97 / 3.90 / 3.05
W58 & 4.10 = 13.47 / 7.77 / 5.23 / 4.10 / 3.21
W58 & 4.30 = 14.13 / 8.14 / 5.48 / 4.30 / 3.37
W58 & 4.56 = 14.98 / 8.64 / 5.81 / 4.56 / 3.57
W58 & 4.78 = 15.70 / 9.05 / 6.09 / 4.78 / 3.74
W58 & 4.88 = 16.03 / 9.24 / 6.22 / 4.88 / 3.82
Also approx. rpm dropped to when upshifting gears 2-5 or 2-6:
7500 RPM rev limit
T50 ______ = 4225 / 5125 / 5425 / 6450
W58 ______ = 4325 / 5050 / 5875 / 5875
T50 -AE811 = 5150 / 5575 / 6275 / 6650
T50 -AE851 = 5150 / 6450 / 5425 / 6450
8000 RPM rev limit
J160 _____ = 4500 / 5450 / 6600 / 6525 / 6950
J160 & TRD = 5600 / 5825 / 6175 / 6525 / 6950
W58 ______ = 4600 / 5400 / 6250 / 6250
First Gear: 2.341:1
Second Gear: 1.607:1
Third Gear: 1.195:1
Fourth Gear: 1.00:1
Fifth Gear: 0.886:1
T50 & TRD gear set 33030-AE811 (1st & 2nd only)
First Gear: 2.341:1
Second Gear: 1.607:1
Third Gear: 1.384:1
Fourth Gear: 1.00:1
Fifth Gear: 0.861:1
J160
First Gear: 3.874:1
Second Gear: 2.175:1
Third Gear: 1.484:1
Fourth Gear: 1.223:1
Fifth Gear: 1.000:1
Sixth Gear: 0.869:1
J160 & TRD gear set 33030-SE100 (1st & 3rd)
First Gear: 3.106:1
Second Gear: 2.175:1
Third Gear: 1.585:1
Fourth Gear: 1.223:1
Fifth Gear: 1.000:1
Sixth Gear: 0.869:1
Top gear (5th OR 6th) RPM's at freeway speeds (top gear of listed trans & final drive):
T50, 5.375 & TRD -AE811 = 65 mph @ 4750 rpm (80 @ 5825)
T50, 5.375 & TRD -AE851 = 65 mph @ 4600 rpm (80 @ 5675)
J160 & 4.10 = 65 mph @ 3550 rpm (80 @ 4375)
J160 & 4.30 = 65 mph @ 3725 rpm (80 @ 4575)
J160 & 4.56 = 65 mph @ 3950 rpm (80 @ 4850)
W58 & 3.73 = 65 mph @ 2900 rpm (80 @ 3575)
W58 & 3.90 = 65 mph @ 3025 rpm (80 @ 3750)
W58 & 4.10 = 65 mph @ 3200 rpm (80 @ 3925)
W58 & 4.30 = 65 mph @ 3350 rpm (80 @ 4125)
W58 & 4.56 = 65 mph @ 3550 rpm (80 @ 4375)
W58 & 4.78 = 65 mph @ 3725 rpm (80 @ 4575)
W58 & 4.88 = 65 mph @ 3800 rpm (80 @ 4675)
With stock Altezza tire sizes (205/55R16 or 215/45R17)
J160 & 4.10 = 65 mph @ 3250 rpm (80 @ 4000)
J160 & 4.30 = 65 mph @ 3400 rpm (80 @ 4200)
J160 & 4.56 = 65 mph @ 3600 rpm (80 @ 4450)
Note: J160 speeds are the same for both with & without TRD gearset as 6th gear is not changed.
Top mph speed in forward gears, gears in order of 1-5 or 1-6. Shown with various final drive ratio's, all with tire dia. 22.75" (185/60R14) :
7500 RPM rev limit:
T50, 5.375 & TRD -AE811 = 38.9 / 56.7 / 76.2 / 91.1 / 102.8
T50, 5.375 & TRD -AE851 = 38.9 / 56.7 / 65.8 / 91.1 / 105.8
W58 & 4.88 = 30.5 / 53.0 / 78.7 / 100.3 / 128.1
8000 RPM rev limit
J160 & 4.10 _ = 32.9 / 58.6 / 85.8 / 104.2 / 127.4 / 146.6
J160 & 4.30 _ = 31.4 / 55.8 / 81.8 / 99.3 / 121.5 / 139.8
J160 & 4.56 _ = 29.6 / 52.7 / 77.2 / 93.6 / 114.5 / 131.8
J160 TRD 4.10 = 41.0 / 58.6 / 80.4 / 104.2 / 127.4 / 146.6
J160 TRD 4.30 = 39.1 / 55.8 / 76.6 / 99.3 / 121.5 / 139.8
J160 TRD 4.56 = 36.9 / 52.7 / 72.3 / 93.6 / 114.5 / 131.8
W58 & 3.73 __ = 42.6 / 73.9 / 109.8 / 140.0 / 178.8
W58 & 3.90 __ = 40.8 / 70.7 / 105.0 / 133.9 / 171.0
W58 & 4.10 __ = 38.8 / 67.3 / 99.9 / 127.4 / 162.7
W58 & 4.30 __ = 37.0 / 64.1 / 95.3 / 121.5 / 155.1
W58 & 4.56 __ = 34.9 / 60.5 / 89.8 / 114.5 / 146.3
W58 & 4.78 __ = 33.3 / 57.7 / 85.7 / 109.3 / 139.5
W58 & 4.88 __ = 32.6 / 56.5 / 83.9 / 107.0 / 136.7
With stock Altezza tire sizes (205/55R16 or 215/45R17)
J160 & 4.10 _ = 36.0 / 64.1 / 93.9 / 113.9 / 139.4 / 160.4
J160 & 4.30 _ = 34.3 / 61.1 / 89.5 / 108.6 / 132.9 / 152.9
J160 & 4.56 _ = 32.3 / 57.6 / 84.4 / 102.5 / 125.3 / 144.2
J160 TRD 4.10 = 44.9 / 64.1 / 87.9 / 113.9 / 139.4 / 160.4
J160 TRD 4.30 = 42.8 / 61.1 / 83.8 / 108.6 / 132.9 / 152.9
J160 TRD 4.56 = 40.3 / 57.6 / 79.1 / 102.5 / 125.3 / 144.2
Calculated overall gear ratio's:
T50 & 4.30 = 15.42 / 8.69 / 5.95 / 4.30 / 3.70
T50, 5.375 & TRD -AE811 = 12.58 / 8.63 / 6.42 / 5.38 / 4.76
T50, 5.375 & TRD -AE851 = 12.58 / 8.63 / 7.44 / 5.38 / 4.62
J160 & 4.10 ____ = 15.88 / 8.92 / 6.08 / 5.01 / 4.10 / 3.56
J160 & 4.30 ____ = 16.66 / 9.35 / 6.38 / 5.26 / 4.30 / 3.73
J160 & 4.56 ____ = 17.66 / 9.92 / 6.77 / 5.58 / 4.56 / 3.70
J160, 4.10 & TRD = 12.73 / 8.92 / 6.50 / 5.01 / 4.10 / 3.56
J160, 4.30 & TRD = 13.36 / 9.35 / 6.82 / 5.26 / 4.30 / 3.73
J160, 4.56 & TRD = 14.16 / 9.92 / 7.22 / 5.58 / 4.56 / 3.70
W58 & 3.73 = 12.25 / 7.06 / 4.76 / 3.73 / 2.92
W58 & 3.90 = 12.81 / 7.39 / 4.97 / 3.90 / 3.05
W58 & 4.10 = 13.47 / 7.77 / 5.23 / 4.10 / 3.21
W58 & 4.30 = 14.13 / 8.14 / 5.48 / 4.30 / 3.37
W58 & 4.56 = 14.98 / 8.64 / 5.81 / 4.56 / 3.57
W58 & 4.78 = 15.70 / 9.05 / 6.09 / 4.78 / 3.74
W58 & 4.88 = 16.03 / 9.24 / 6.22 / 4.88 / 3.82
Also approx. rpm dropped to when upshifting gears 2-5 or 2-6:
7500 RPM rev limit
T50 ______ = 4225 / 5125 / 5425 / 6450
W58 ______ = 4325 / 5050 / 5875 / 5875
T50 -AE811 = 5150 / 5575 / 6275 / 6650
T50 -AE851 = 5150 / 6450 / 5425 / 6450
8000 RPM rev limit
J160 _____ = 4500 / 5450 / 6600 / 6525 / 6950
J160 & TRD = 5600 / 5825 / 6175 / 6525 / 6950
W58 ______ = 4600 / 5400 / 6250 / 6250
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Posted 15 August 2011 - 06:50 PM
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Some more numbers. Trying to figure out what I want now that the new motor is done and I have more power
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TRD W5x close gear ratio
First Gear: 2.77:1
Second Gear: 1.59:1
Third Gear: 1.24:1
Fourth Gear: 1:1
Fifth Gear: .880:1
PPG W5x close gear ratio (dog/straight cut)
First Gear: 2.80
Second Gear: 1.84
Third Gear: 1.33
Fourth Gear: 1.0
Fifth Gear: .86
Albins W5x close gear ratio (standard/sychro)
First Gear: 2.69
Second Gear: 1.71
Third Gear: 1.25
Fourth Gear: 1.0
Fifth Gear: .87
Albins W5x close gear ratio (dog/straight cut)
First Gear: 2.60
Second Gear: 1.60
Third Gear: 1.25
Fourth Gear: 1.0
Fifth Gear: .87
Calculated overall gear ratio's
J160, 4.56 & TRD = 14.16 / 9.92 / 7.22 / 5.58 / 4.56 / 3.70
W58 & 4.30 = 14.13 / 8.14 / 5.48 / 4.30 / 3.37
W58 & 4.88 = 16.03 / 9.24 / 6.22 / 4.88 / 3.82
TRD set, W58 & 4.30 = 11.91 / 6.84 / 5.33 / 4.30 / 3.78
PPG set, W58 & 4.30 = 12.06 / 7.91 / 5.72 / 4.30 / 3.70
Albins(S) W58 & 4.30 = 11.58 / 7.35 / 5.38 / 4.30 / 3.74
Albins(D) W58 & 4.30 = 11.18 / 6.88 / 5.38 / 4.30 / 3.74
TRD set, W58 & 4.88 = 13.52 / 7.76 / 6.05 / 4.88 / 4.29
PPG set, W58 & 4.88 = 13.66 / 8.98 / 6.49 / 4.88 / 4.20
Albins(S) W58 & 4.88 = 13.13 / 8.34 / 6.10 / 4.88 / 4.25
Albins(D) W58 & 4.88 = 12.69 / 7.81 / 6.10 / 4.88 / 4.25
Top mph speed in forward gears, all with tire dia. 22.75" (185/60R14).
8k RPM rev limit:
W58 & 4.30 __ = 37.0 / 64.1 / 95.3 / 121.5 / 155.1
W58 & 4.88 __ = 32.6 / 56.5 / 83.9 / 107.0 / 136.7
TRD set, W58 & 4.30 = 43.8 / 76.4 / 98.0 / 121.5 / 138.0
PPG set, W58 & 4.30 = 43.4 / 66.0 / 91.3 / 121.5 / 141.2
Albins(S) W58 & 4.30 = 45.2 / 71.0 / 97.2 / 121.5 / 139.6
Albins(D) W58 & 4.30 = 46.7 / 75.9 / 97.2 / 121.5 / 139.6
TRD set, W58 & 4.88 = 38.6 / 67.3 / 86.3 / 107.0 / 121.6
PPG set, W58 & 4.88 = 38.2 / 58.2 / 80.5 / 107.0 / 124.4
Albins(S) W58 & 4.88 = 39.8 / 62.6 / 85.6 / 107.0 / 123.0
Albins(D) W58 & 4.88 = 41.2 / 66.9 / 85.6 / 107.0 / 123.0
8.8k RPM rev limit:
TRD set, W58 & 4.30 = 48.2 / 84.0 / 107.7 / 133.6 / 151.8
PPG set, W58 & 4.30 = 47.7 / 72.6 / 100.5 / 133.6 / 155.4
Albins(S) W58 & 4.30 = 49.7 / 78.1 / 106.9 / 133.6 / 153.6
Albins(D) W58 & 4.30 = 51.4 / 83.5 / 106.9 / 133.6 / 153.6
TRD set, W58 & 4.88 = 42.5 / 74.0 / 94.9 / 117.7 / 133.8
PPG set, W58 & 4.88 = 42.0 / 64.0 / 88.5 / 117.7 / 136.9
Albins(S) W58 & 4.88 = 43.8 / 68.8 / 94.2 / 117.7 / 135.3
Albins(D) W58 & 4.88 = 45.3 / 73.6 / 94.2 / 117.7 / 135.3
For shits & giggles, power to weight ratio (Lbs per:1hp)
25.50:1 - stock AE86 2300lb/90hp (with a healthy stock 4age whp #)
18.18:1 - stock Altezza 3000lb/165whp (seems to be the average)
14.28:1 - TRD powered Altezza 3000lbs/210hp (guessing approx 210 whp, if flywheel power loss of approx 20% to wheels as calculated)
11.00:1 - my AE86 2300lb/209hp (weight is a guess/estimate, given the heavier motor/trans/diff but lightweight hood/hatch/etc)
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TRD W5x close gear ratio
First Gear: 2.77:1
Second Gear: 1.59:1
Third Gear: 1.24:1
Fourth Gear: 1:1
Fifth Gear: .880:1
PPG W5x close gear ratio (dog/straight cut)
First Gear: 2.80
Second Gear: 1.84
Third Gear: 1.33
Fourth Gear: 1.0
Fifth Gear: .86
Albins W5x close gear ratio (standard/sychro)
First Gear: 2.69
Second Gear: 1.71
Third Gear: 1.25
Fourth Gear: 1.0
Fifth Gear: .87
Albins W5x close gear ratio (dog/straight cut)
First Gear: 2.60
Second Gear: 1.60
Third Gear: 1.25
Fourth Gear: 1.0
Fifth Gear: .87
Calculated overall gear ratio's
J160, 4.56 & TRD = 14.16 / 9.92 / 7.22 / 5.58 / 4.56 / 3.70
W58 & 4.30 = 14.13 / 8.14 / 5.48 / 4.30 / 3.37
W58 & 4.88 = 16.03 / 9.24 / 6.22 / 4.88 / 3.82
TRD set, W58 & 4.30 = 11.91 / 6.84 / 5.33 / 4.30 / 3.78
PPG set, W58 & 4.30 = 12.06 / 7.91 / 5.72 / 4.30 / 3.70
Albins(S) W58 & 4.30 = 11.58 / 7.35 / 5.38 / 4.30 / 3.74
Albins(D) W58 & 4.30 = 11.18 / 6.88 / 5.38 / 4.30 / 3.74
TRD set, W58 & 4.88 = 13.52 / 7.76 / 6.05 / 4.88 / 4.29
PPG set, W58 & 4.88 = 13.66 / 8.98 / 6.49 / 4.88 / 4.20
Albins(S) W58 & 4.88 = 13.13 / 8.34 / 6.10 / 4.88 / 4.25
Albins(D) W58 & 4.88 = 12.69 / 7.81 / 6.10 / 4.88 / 4.25
Top mph speed in forward gears, all with tire dia. 22.75" (185/60R14).
8k RPM rev limit:
W58 & 4.30 __ = 37.0 / 64.1 / 95.3 / 121.5 / 155.1
W58 & 4.88 __ = 32.6 / 56.5 / 83.9 / 107.0 / 136.7
TRD set, W58 & 4.30 = 43.8 / 76.4 / 98.0 / 121.5 / 138.0
PPG set, W58 & 4.30 = 43.4 / 66.0 / 91.3 / 121.5 / 141.2
Albins(S) W58 & 4.30 = 45.2 / 71.0 / 97.2 / 121.5 / 139.6
Albins(D) W58 & 4.30 = 46.7 / 75.9 / 97.2 / 121.5 / 139.6
TRD set, W58 & 4.88 = 38.6 / 67.3 / 86.3 / 107.0 / 121.6
PPG set, W58 & 4.88 = 38.2 / 58.2 / 80.5 / 107.0 / 124.4
Albins(S) W58 & 4.88 = 39.8 / 62.6 / 85.6 / 107.0 / 123.0
Albins(D) W58 & 4.88 = 41.2 / 66.9 / 85.6 / 107.0 / 123.0
8.8k RPM rev limit:
TRD set, W58 & 4.30 = 48.2 / 84.0 / 107.7 / 133.6 / 151.8
PPG set, W58 & 4.30 = 47.7 / 72.6 / 100.5 / 133.6 / 155.4
Albins(S) W58 & 4.30 = 49.7 / 78.1 / 106.9 / 133.6 / 153.6
Albins(D) W58 & 4.30 = 51.4 / 83.5 / 106.9 / 133.6 / 153.6
TRD set, W58 & 4.88 = 42.5 / 74.0 / 94.9 / 117.7 / 133.8
PPG set, W58 & 4.88 = 42.0 / 64.0 / 88.5 / 117.7 / 136.9
Albins(S) W58 & 4.88 = 43.8 / 68.8 / 94.2 / 117.7 / 135.3
Albins(D) W58 & 4.88 = 45.3 / 73.6 / 94.2 / 117.7 / 135.3
For shits & giggles, power to weight ratio (Lbs per:1hp)
25.50:1 - stock AE86 2300lb/90hp (with a healthy stock 4age whp #)
18.18:1 - stock Altezza 3000lb/165whp (seems to be the average)
14.28:1 - TRD powered Altezza 3000lbs/210hp (guessing approx 210 whp, if flywheel power loss of approx 20% to wheels as calculated)
11.00:1 - my AE86 2300lb/209hp (weight is a guess/estimate, given the heavier motor/trans/diff but lightweight hood/hatch/etc)
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 08:05 PM
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Some comparisons With new tire size(s).
Fwy Speeds in 5th
185/60R14 (195/50R15 is very close):
W58 & 4.56 = 65 mph @ 3550 rpm (80 @ 4375)
W58 & 4.77 = 65 mph @ 3725 rpm (80 @ 4575)
W58 & 4.88 = 65 mph @ 3800 rpm (80 @ 4675)
195/60R14 (205/50R15 is very close):
W58 & 4.56 = 65 mph @ 3475 rpm (80 @ 4375)
W58 & 4.77 = 65 mph @ 3650 rpm (80 @ 4500)
W58 & 4.88 = 65 mph @ 3725 rpm (80 @ 4575)
Top Speed in each gear
185/60R14 (195/50R15 is very close):
W58 & 4.88 = 30.5 / 53.0 / 78.7 / 100.3 / 128.1 (7.5k)
W58 & 4.56 = 34.9 / 60.5 / 89.8 / 114.5 / 146.3 (8k)
W58 & 4.77 = 33.3 / 57.8 / 85.9 / 109.5 / 139.8 (8k)
W58 & 4.88 = 32.6 / 56.5 / 83.9 / 107.0 / 136.7 (8k)
195/60R14 (205/50R15 is very close):
W58 & 4.56 = 35.6 / 61.7 / 91.7 / 116.9 / 149.3 (8k)
W58 & 4.77 = 34.0 / 59.0 / 87.7 / 111.8 / 142.7 (8k)
W58 & 4.88 = 33.3 / 57.7 / 85.7 / 109.2 / 139.5 (8k)
VS
S13/14/15 (SR20 & KA 5 speed, @ 7500 RPM redline, when using 225/45R17 tires.)
S-Chassis & 4.08:1 = 39.7 / 69.3 / 100.8 / 131.8 / 157.3
S-Chassis & 4.375:1 = 37.0 / 64.7 / 94.1 / 123.0 / 146.8
S-Chassis & 4.636:1 = 35.0 / 61.1 / 88.8 / 116.1 / 138.6
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